Not really. Sony isn't against putting their big games on there just not day one. First party games will be on the service you'll just have to wait for it.
Nintendo has been making amazing games with half the budget (compared to other triple A games) with no need for 4K or any emphasis HD graphics. We also see critically acclaimed smaller games every day.
It's ridiculous to think thar proven companies like ND, Insomniac, etc wouldn't be able to keep the same level of high end quality just because games would be day and date or less than a year.
@gangsta_red: Its ridiculous to compare Sony's and Nintendo's game production and quality against Xbox when Xbox has repeated examples of game drought, then notable issues with regarding game quality when they do.
As ridiculous as insisting the two leading consoles should adopt day-one releases of their AAA titles to promote their versions of GP when GP has yet to prove itself to be profitable.
And with billions invested in Activision and Bethesda with nothing yet to show for it, you can't say otherwise.
@mars290 "...when Xbox has repeated examples of game drought, then notable issues with regarding game quality when they do."
Sony and Nintendo has also had repeated droughts with their systems and so far Xbox's latest offerings have all had the highest meta scores seen. So i don't know what your point is or has anything to do with the question I asked.
"...when GP has yet to prove itself to be profitable."
So you rather not , as a consumer, get day one games that would only benefit you, from a service you pay monthly/yearly for because you think it won't be profitable for that company who has repeatedly posted record earnings from not just game sales but PS+ subscriptions and online market sales?
"And with billions invested in Activision and Bethesda with nothing yet to show for it, you can't say otherwise."
Again, what does this have to do with production and quality? Do you even understand what i'm asking? You can't possibly think any new game from Bethesda (Fallout, Skyrim, Starfield) or Activison (CoD!!!) won't pay off for MS when released.
@gangsta_red: You try to pull this crap every time. Namely ask me to defend your stance, putting my responses through a sieve and saying "Gotcha!" as if that means anything.
You're asking to what effect 'AAA' gaming on a subscription service will have on 'AAA' games when there are no viable examples. When the closest thing to an example comes from MS who have questionable ability to produce competent let alone quality games. Their best bet to push their service are 3rd parties they've bought up, which is hardly enough to start insisting Nintendo and Sony follow suit. There just isn't any substance to the argument but of course that's not going to stop you.
"So you rather not , as a consumer, get day one games that would only benefit you, from a service you pay monthly/yearly"
Exactly! There's none, and yet you still persist with multiple comments claiming that somehow MS games are affected by GP when there is nothing to prove this true. I'm asking you to provide reasoning to a statement you always leave and are sure of and yet you never have a straight answer.
"When the closest thing to an example comes from MS who have questionable ability to produce competent let alone quality games"
According to who? Flight Sim 90, Halo Infini - 87 , Forza Horizon - 92, Psychonauts 2 - 92, just to name a few recent MS games, so i have to ask again, where is this questionable ability for competent games and what does that have to do with GP?
The problem is you make claims that are not related or tied to each other and your answers are nothing more than an opportunity to bash MS and Xbox. This is why you're constantly unable to give me a straight answer and always on the defensive.
"I'D RATHER BUY A COMPLETE PRODUCT. PERIOD."
Then buy it! Every game on GP can also be purchased or are you now insinuating that no game on GP is the finished product?
"insinuating that no game on GP is the finished product?"
Isn't the latest Halo just now getting co-op? And the flight sim certainly doesn't have a beginning, middle or end. Are on par with anything Sony or Nintendo has.
And MS bought Psychonauts ffs. Fan wanking is not a sign of competent game making, just acceptance of anything offered.
You already played yourself by admitting you have nothing to back up your claim, now you're asking about Halo adding features as if that means anything or is relevant to the hundreds of other games on GP.
But according to you, being on GP will hurt production, the quality and won't be a complete game.
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about and every time you make stupid statements without backing them up you'll get called out. If you don't want your time wasted I suggest thinking before leaving such comments.
What is the most likely thing to happen if sales dont matter per game? If all that matters is that you release a lot of games with just 'ok' quality or budget? The reason sony games stand at the top for me above other publishers is that perception while im playing that they put extra dedication into each game. Its the difference of an extra 10 million dollars going into the budget of a game or the publisher just saying, scrap that it's good enough as is.
Do you really expect nothing to change for ms published games? All they need is a high subcriber base to make money, they need more games, not top tier games.
If in 3 years games that release on gamepass, developed with the knowledge they will be on gamepass, dont go down in quality and up in quantity I will admit myself to have been pessimistically wrong.
Agreed, also if there is any day1 1st party in the future I could see the nxt LBP or next sackboy maybe being day1 or a new wipeout day1 but the TLoU, Spiderman, GoW type games will never be day1 (12/18months)
No, just...no. How is a year old game coming to a service one step closer to day 1?? You make no sense. Not to mention Sony has already been doing Day 1 release on PS+ for years now.
Not really. Sony was already really clear about that. Sony gamers buy games. That kind of subscription doesn't work. Isn't profitable. Only with monthly pay really high. You cant put day one blockbuster that cost hundreds of millions. Go read the interview of the ceo of take two.
I dunno, maybe at some point, but I doubt any time soon, probably not in this generation even. Sony knows their strengths, they know why people buy playstation.
It’s all about money. That goes for both Game Pass and PS+. So whether or not games come to PS+ on day one and whether games continue to come to Game Pass in day one all depends on growing the subscriber base and generating monthly fees that pay for game development. But I think this rumored offering merely reflects Sony’s long time strategy of deeply discounting games after a year in order to sell to a broad audience. Now it’s all about building that sweet, sweet monthly income from PS+. So next February, you may see Horizon Forbidden West on PS+.
It’s silly that we even have to speculate and hope for old Sony games to come to a Sony service.
Okay, fine, they don’t want to do day 1 but they could at-least give a window like EA play does and say everything Sony will arrive in the service after 12 months.
@orchard Your business understanding is middle school level
If I had to pick, I'd take Sony's first party a year after release compared to Ms releasing barely a first party game per year. And that's if I decided to buy 0 games all year (as you all know, orchard and obscure pretend it would break their bank accounts entirely to God forbid buy a single game in their life,) I can't imagine not being able to afford to buy ms's paltry offerings, I'll be buying and owning games regardless of the rental service these companies offer
@Orchard: Sony has higher output of first party games. A day-one release for all of their great games via a service would cost more for them.
M$ hasn’t even managed to meet their 4 AAA first party games a year promise yet, let alone maintain game pass’ price for years after meeting that promise.
EA play doesn’t need a window we can all see through that shite 🤣🤣 well most of us. What would it say yeah fifa will get added this time next year and the year after and yeah you get the point you can work out Ea’s schedule they are all 12 months based whenever they added that last one last year they’ll add the following same time give or take a week or 3 depending on their launch schedules which are always 12 month based but can be sept/Oct.
If EA And Microsoft can do it. EA could launch their games entirely free at this point they make Billions on their Fifa points through ultimate team yet people still pay for it knowing within 6 months it’s 50/70% off or “free” through their paid EA subscriptions as for Microsoft sure they release ALL?! Their games day one problem is they’ve barely released 3 tops gsmes In best part of 2 yesrs! Since launching their new console that’s absolutely pathetic most consoles launch with 3 games and they are averaging 1.5 a year 🙄🤦🏻♂️ 🤣 with halo as it is not sure I’d even count that so basically 1 game a year and they might actually finish halo by next year not to mention no one buys the games on Xbox when was the last time a game cleared 10 million on Xbox (exclusive) I’ll wait 🥱 😑🤣
I suspect I give you the benefit of the doubt more than most here, but I think that's an awful idea you're pitching about giving a window for the reasons people already mention. I'd like to add to that a bit.
You mention that Microsoft and EA are able to do it, so why not Sony, but I think you're missing a very fundamental point that goes back to exactly what Jim Ryan of all people said: you sacrifice a lot in terms of quality to maintain such a program with day one releases. I happen to strongly agree with that. The thought and polish that goes into a PlayStation first party game is on another level. Sony has done some bloody incredible things with the hardware constraints they have (relative to the Series X or One X). There's a level of technical expertise and public awe that comes with their titles. I think you're going to see a massive dip in quality to make day one happen.
On the matter of formalizing a window, I don't think that's a good idea either. I suspect plenty of people will wait out the window.
People still buy games from EA and Microsoft sure... But what do Microsoft and EA have in common? They are notorious for taking shortcuts that cut their costs while prioritizing monetization. Microsoft delayed Infinite a year and its still an incomplete game. Things present at previous Halo launches are absent in favor of seasonal releases. That's one way to keep you invested and paying. EA is largely disinterested in games they can't make multiplayer and strongly monetize—even then, they released Battlefield in horrendous condition.
These things are related, my friend. So when you ask why not give some release window... Sony certainly can... But I do not believe that is in their best interests at all, for them or for gamers.
"They are notorious for taking shortcuts that cut their costs while prioritizing monetization."
You used Halo Infinite as an example but didn't mention Sea Of Thieves, Grounded, Forza Horizon and even State Of Decay 2 had new content. Rare being the most competent considering they launched in a similar fashion as Infinite. Now it's content rich. Even the forgotten and very incompetent Mojang is releasing something.
343 has there own problems to sort out as a studios. It's studio issue not really a MS issue.
You can certainly make that point using those examples, and I don't disagree. I use Halo as the example not to align with my point (as you clearly provide good counterpoints for) but to illustrate the what they're willing to do with the very franchise that effectively birthed Xbox as a serious console. It's genuinely baffling. It's a studio issue, but it's not just the studio's issue. The problems with GT7 I pin on Sony more than anyone. These design decisions are very monetization -heavy, and that's really the point I want to make: horrendous practices for massively popular multiplayer games.
EA doesnt do day one. MS and EA have different business views compare to sony. Taking a jab at sony when theres a good news with their service? If im going to ask Sony and EA its almost the same business model but i dont see dissing about that. Damn thats true xboys patriotsm there.
It's crazy to read how many people don't want sony games to release day and date or have a short window of release for a premium service they pay for.
This notion that game production will suffer is also funny considering it's sony themselves who said it, the same company that said no one wants BC, but are now using old games to not only make their premium service more enticing but bolster their library.
If people want to pay $70 a pop for a game on top of a sub service then go on, we know people like to "support the dev", but to sit here and actually complain and hope sony never provides more value for that highest tier is beyond brand insanity.
It's not that people don't want it, it's that they don't want to demand it with pitchforks and torches like self entitled children.
If Sony and other services deem it financially viable then cool, if not then either buy the game if you want it so badly or wait until it comes to the service.
Why should Sony lose out on GoW or ND's next game selling millions at $70 a pop just because MS is doing it?
This is just proving my point by attaching something overblown as a the "pitchforks" excuse.
Before people were upset at sub services, calling companies who did this greedy. Now the concern is about a billion dollar companies bottom line instead of wanting the best possible value they can get for their continued support throughout multiple gens.
"Why should Sony lose out on GoW or ND's next game selling millions at $70.."
There was story not long ago of the millions Sony is making, record numbers. And instead of rewarding gamers with deals like the competition, they instead give us a three tiered online service, no free upgrades and continue to sell their own games at $70. Instead of asking "why should Sony do what the competition does..?" Ask, "Why doesn't Sony do what the competition does..?"
Don’t need to wait at all people just need to google a bit more it’s was down to £60 less than 7 days after launch it’s barely £40 second hand 🤷🏻♂️✌🏻 ;🤣
Yeah I dunno why people don’t do a quick google it literally gives them about 5 options and none of them are £70 🤦🏻♂️🤣 https://www.365games.co.uk/... £37.99 I’ll take the £32 you were gonna throw away if you don’t want it 🥴✌🏻😜 £70 price won’t hold if people don’t buy them and they stop breaking their day1 records it quite simple. 🤣✌🏻
70 is ridiculous right now. I got mine mine pre-owned at Gamestop with a promotion, think I avged like $35 in November. platinumed it in a week and traded it in for like a $30 value or something. Alternatively I could have rented from Gamefly and saved way more.
Jesus sorry guys for not buying the game and waiting for it to come to service I pay £14 a month for, fucking hell hahaha. I only purchase digital these days, so while you're suggestions are appreciated, they're not really relevant.
I'd rather buy my games because I like to own them. Still though the appeal of subscription services to the average gamer especially to casual gamers is completely understandable. Hope folks get to enjoy the games they may not have the time or money to buy outright.
It’s appealing to myself and I’d consider myself pretty hardcore but I also like great value for money and these £70 games majority are not this service gets me around that so games I’m not willing to drop £70 on Returnal etc Kerching I’ll check em on this service if I really like em I’ll grab my own copy in digital sale or cheap physical. 🤷🏻♂️✌🏻 ;😍 this will save me so much money and I don’t think a lot of companies deserve it currently across all platforms. Too many cash grab half arsed unfinished games being released and were expected to pay premium prices while they finish off the games with our money.
I do both. Just depends on the game. Shadow run triology just came out. I dl it on the xbox. But when its 30 on ps ill but it. I want the devs to see that these kind of games are more then welcome. Just depends on the game.
Of course it will, by Christmas i would think alongside gran turismo. Once sales drop off which they can clearly see when they do or they’ve sold enough the games start going on sale anyway plus it’s one of their major releases so primed for +premium Or whichever it would get added to. I bought it got the platinum and sold it while still worth most of what I paid. About £40 ✌🏻🤷🏻♂ ️🤣
Yeah I think by Christmas it’s nearly 9 months sales would have dropped off if not Christmas early next year March max. They gonna be wanting to get these big games on sooner rather than later, at least it won’t be like waiting 3 years for these games on a PC, not that a do that 🥴✌🏻😜 will help them increase their subscriber numbers. Should be interesting got enough to play for the next year or so and bought gran turismo anyway, bring on the games 🙌🏻🤣
i wouldnt hold your breath though. it is still one of, if not the most visually striking game ever made on console. plus ps4 harddrive would never be able to support it. love the game, was my game of the yr when it released.
I would be surprised by this. As at least in the UK when ever there is a fresh wave of PS5 stock. The likes of this and Spider Man and Returnal shoot up the sales chart.
Hopefully they do more of this. I only paid $40 for this used from someone on Facebook less than a week after launch so I was happy with that purchase. Definitely worth that but it is a pretty short game. I probably would have been upset at paying full price but it is a great game! New PS5 owners getting this on Plus is amazing! They're starting out with a bang with all the good stuff on there, it's pretty insane!
Hopefully a sign of Sony being more aggressive bringing value a la Gamepass—I’m a graphics guy so this was day one purchase for me, but certainly a nice score if you haven’t played this gem yet.
The last of us part 2 isn't on there yet even though that game came out 2 years ago. Ratchet and clank will be made available when Sony feels like it.
I must say though that Ratchet and Clank rift apart is the most fun game I've had playing a game in a while and a nice break from the rogue like games that taken over recently. It has a great story, characters, gameplay etc. I went back and played the PS4 version of ratchet and clank and I can clearly see a night and day difference in the graphics compared with the PS5 version. If it does come to the extra tier soon I'd be disappointed since I recently bought the game earlier this month but at the same time I would encourage all of you to give it a try. I just hope this isn't the last we will see of Rivet.
Neat, that might be the nudge I need to pull the trigger. Not a fan of subscriptions generally, but this is a tough one to pass on, especially considering all of the hard to find classics available.
When they start talking Day 1 releases, I might get interested in this service. I've already purchased all the games on Plus that I'm remotely interested.
Very nice.
One step closer to all First Party Games coming Day 1 release on PlayStation Plus Extra/Premium. My wallet will thank you Sony.
It’s silly that we even have to speculate and hope for old Sony games to come to a Sony service.
Okay, fine, they don’t want to do day 1 but they could at-least give a window like EA play does and say everything Sony will arrive in the service after 12 months.
Was about to drop £70 on this, guess I'll a little while 😂
I'd rather buy my games because I like to own them. Still though the appeal of subscription services to the average gamer especially to casual gamers is completely understandable. Hope folks get to enjoy the games they may not have the time or money to buy outright.