Quality matters more than sales. Always. And that's why Forza is at the top of the game. Horizon 3 deserves those sales because we need more games like it.
Great to see some good news from forza! Retailing 1 billion bucks is a pretty good milestone. I remember gta5 did it In like a week or so. It may have taken forza longer to reach this milestone and with 10 games...but hey not many have reached that milestone.
I thought sales reflected people finally seeing the quality. "
Lets be honest- frankly terrible games have seen some strong sales. Comparatively drastically weaker racers for instance have seen even higher sales.
"You're all over the place.
Do they only reflect quality or what it deserves when it comes to Forza?"
I'm not all over the place at all. Weren't you the one downplaying the sales previously? See my link below. Its not rocket science mate. The game's quality is great. Sometimes the sales numbers dont do a great game justice. We've seen that time and time again in this industry.
Forza Horizon 3 is an excellent game and the highest rated racer this gen. Now it deserves great sales doesn't it? Its very simple.
Let's get real here. 2.5M is great for Forza Horizon 3, but it's not that impressive overall. GT Sport will most likely do that very quickly. Driveclub sold 2M and that had a terrible launch.
1B sounds like a big number, but then you realise GT5 did approximately half a billion at retail alone.
"Give to Caesar what is Caesar's" right now Forza is number one hands down and other races need to work hard to get at Forza level... I wonder if Polyphony digital will start to fight back whit GT, cause right now Forza is killing it.
@Overload This isn't about GT Sports or Driveclub. You always need to bring some Sony games into a conversation that has nothing to do with them. Forza games have always sold the 2-4 million even when it was on the XBox 360 with over 87 million units sold. It has it's own fanbase that buy it regularly. No one cares what GT Sports or DriveClub sold. They aren't even in the article. All you want to do is TROLL XBox One articles.
@Unspoken Yes. Trolling Overlord has returned to another XBox One article when he most likely doesn't even own one. He was doing fine until he decided to bring Sony exclusives racers into the mix. He didn't even go for Project Cars or Need For Speed games? lmao!!
9 releases, over how many years? Retail sales over 1 billion, is anywhere between 16-20 million copies depending on the selling price(not all being $60).
It's great it makes money, don't get me wrong, but with the number of releases it's had, for how long it's been an established franchise, it's not really that remarkable.
It is a fantastic racing game, even if you aren't a huge fan of racing games, it's a lot of fun. I will keep supporting this series. Not the biggest sim racing fan so the mainline games I usually pass on, but I've bought FH2 and 3 and got the first one with games with gold and they're great
Sorry if my putting it into perspective hurt people's feelings.
I'm glad it's making money, and the most recent game is excellent, but 1 billion over 9 releases is kind of commonplace for a moderately successful franchise.
@Dealwithit
If Forza did all that, I'd be impressed.
But for the most part, I'd not be gushing over the sales of any game, with 9 releases, that only made 1 billion at retail. At least not in the way some people here are trying to make it into being the best thing ever and indicative of the game being a high end money maker which somehow is indicative of it's quality, which is a separate matter altogether.
My numbers are sound, and while I find it wonderful that it's a successful franchise, I think too many people are looking at the number, without actually thinking about the rest of the picture.
But, if it makes you all feel better, I'll give you a freebie. 1 billion in retail sales doesn't include digital. So since you all think that Xbox somehow has a 2:1 digital vs retail attach rate, then you can run with Forza having made 3 billion.
Lol. The best. Much like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. There are a few good ones out there, including GT, however this is Forza's moment, so I will try not to take away from it. With that said, Congratulations, Turn10!
Driveclub sold over 3 million. It sold nearly 2.5m physical and with the f2p version it did huge digital numbers. DC is a 3m seller, and well deserved.
Septic
It's funny how u think Driveclub is a terrible game bc of the disastrous launch. If u really were the gaming aficionado u claim you'd know that Driveclub is a different game now. A dramatically improved game and a great racer. Don't act like your not referring to Driveclub in your comments here. U even posted on the PS4 N4G group that Driveclub sucked and Forza is way better. Now i realize it was this article that motivated u to make that comment.
Which one? There are nine games in the franchise. The topic here is about the franchise. If it were about FH3 making one billion at retail, then I'd be thouroughly impressed.
I have played FH3, and several other games in the franchise. But what does that matter to the point I"m trying to make that people are gushing over it, using it as an example of how great FH3 is, while ignoring the fact that it equates to around 112 million on average per release. Is 112 million per game really that amazing?
It's not poor, but as I said, it's not remarkable,or worthy of the correlations to quality that some people are making.
Lol. I like the nice wording of saying the forza franchise is the best selling this generation when there has been a forza game every year since the xbox one release and there'll be a new game(forza 7) this year. Gran turismo sport will outsell them all and be the best driving simulator.
I'd be very impressed if GT Sport scored higher than Horizon 3. Different types of games I know but would be impressive nonetheless.
GT Sport stands the best chance of dethroning Forza Motorsport and taking the crown though. I like what I've seen so far. Has improved dramatically from what was shown at first. Sales wise also, it will definitely dominate. That's a no brainer.
haven't sales of Gran Turismo been declining with each release though? You would think in 2013 when the PS3 had a huge install base, the latest game (6) would muster more than 3.5 million in sales..
Gran turismo 6 sold over 6 million copies and gran turismo 5 sold over 10 million copies according to sony. There isnt any forza throne to be taken by gran turismo because gran tursmo is a better driving simulator where forza normally has things done in The game such as widening tracks and making cars easier to drive so it appeals more to people that would try racing a gtr with a civic or a dodge neon.
People who normally talk about review scores and menu system when comparing forza and gran turismo should actually be talking about the games content and which is actually a better driving simulator. Gran turismo games are made to be as realistic as possible to where the cars in the games try to simulate the driving physics of the real life ones. Forza games normally has cars with characteristics that are unlike realistic ones and youll see silly things like stock vehicles ets being 10 seconds faster than they are in real life.
There isnt any forza throne to be taken by gran turismo because gran tursmo is a better driving simulator where forza normally has things done in The game such as widening tracks and making cars easier to drive so it appeals more to people that would try racing a gtr with a civic or a dodge neon.
I don't see why this would make it any less of a simulator than GT, especially considering that engine tuning is a big part of GT as well. Being able to race a large variety of cars together is part of Forza's success, some people don't like being restricted to certain cars, and it's extremely rewarding working on a car to make it competitive. I'm sure GT Sport's reliance on eSports and restricted car choices will turn off some GT fans, but that's the kind of niche Sony is selling it for, while GT7 will be the more traditional GT game.
Maybe GT will go back to it's roots, so you can simulate driving on an oval with your analog sticks rubber-banded together! GT: Port is already halfway to it's roots anyways, at least judging by the graphics and AI, so anythings' possible.
Congrats to Forza and Microsoft for becoming one of the world's most successful driving game franchises. The Forza Horizon series is my favorite with beautiful open world racing, jaw dropping visuals, the best controls, and amazing racing tracks, jam packed with intense action.
The trolls on here are down voting because they think GT Sports will be better, even though it's not out yet. I hope GT Sport is better then GT5 & GT6. Those games made many fans leave the series. Polyphony needs to come up with something new for GT Sport. I'll continue to enjoy Forza 6 and Forza Horizon 3 while we wait.
LOL!! Don't believe me with GT5 vs GT6 sales? Look again. Keep down voting me when I'm right. Sales going down, down, down with GT ever since GT3. Maybe Overlord can damage control this without having to mention an XBox game.
GT3 sales - 14.98 million worldwide GT4 sales - 11.66 million worldwide GT5 sales - 10.70 million worldwide. GT6 sales - 3.32 million worldwide Over 7 million gamers suddenly stopped buying Gran Turismo series after GT5? This is on a game console with over 87 million sold.
I finished FH3, but it really wasn't that great. I really loved FH2, probably my favorite racing game. It's just a copy/paste of FH2, most of the races feel similar to each other, most of the cars are behind a paywall, and the showcases were a letdown for me. Also who wants to customize and name every race/bucket list challenge, i would have been happier with more sets of challenges like in FH 2. Anyway, i may have ruined the experience for myself by replaying FH2 before launch, so maybe I'm way off base here, i just didn't get any of that "epic" that you noticed.
Sony announced gt6 sold over 5 million so you pulling vg numbers and being wrong makes you look desperate and stupid. Even at 5 million it's double forza horizon 3 sales. 😂
Tell me one thing though.... Would getting 2.5 mil sales on ps4 for half arsed game is difficult? There is no racing game on ps4 that meets forza and the ps4 gamers would just bite irrespective of quality.... Just like NMS. Having 50mil sales but still not a single game is as big as overwatch, GTAV, FFXV..... Talk about that attach rate and quality. There was this talk about UC4 goty and now i hear nothing....
As a quick comparison, the Gran Tursimo series (as of 2015) has sold over 76 million. Lets say the average game is £30, even though GT5 cost me £50.. If my maths are corrects, the GT series has made at least £22.8 billion. GT sport can only add to this. Plus this is GBP and not Dollars.
@Osafunekatan I would love to see you race some of my Xbox friends, you call Forza a little piece of shit 💩, it would have been nice for you to prove your skill from your GT experience, I have witness my friends at our local game outlet crush so many other racers, all they say Forza made them better racers. I would love to see and upload the outcome on on this site or YOUTUBE. Let me if you are interested, GT skilled racer VS Forza skilled race epic showdown
I agree with you that GT will always be the King it has a story while forza was created to meet or exceed GT Standards... but i can't agree with the Sh*tty part, while i prefer GT all the way i think Forza is a very good game...
I've come to realize that theres no rational in people who only play on one console. Because that series might be all they know. To them its the best thing ever. Yet just from looking at reviews GT has been on a steady decline.
GT hasnt been King of racing since PS2..Lol. Forza is the King Slayer. Their Motorsports series is great and well you already know about Horizon. Even PGR was better than GT.
Why such a low average lifetime price? It's probably closer to $45, since half of a games sales tend to be within the first year...particularly games with recurring incremental releases. Within a year, most games of this nature typically are still priced around $30. Anything after that is probably inconsequential to the average.
Anyhow, at 76 million * $45 = 3.4 billion.
Kind of pointless to speculate though. MS provided full retail sales, so we'd only have to guess at the number of actual units sold to derive the average price, and then forget it anyways, because 1 billion is still one billion dollars.
Lol...Forza(only Forza Horizon 3 wasnt and I dont count Apex) and GT are exclusives. So being the "preferred racer" is relative to what console you own. So if you own Playstation most likely Gran Turismo is the best. And Xbox, Forza. Not hard to understand...
And are you comparing Forza to Medal of Honor? Forza gets better reviews than GT and is relevant. Where Medal of Honor now... We'll see at end of yr what racer is better. Forza 7 or GT Sports(Prolouge).. Go ahead and press that button on the right.
GT launched 1998 19 years old with 6 main games + 1x PSP game and 5 "bigger paid demos called prologues" 76,000,000 x $30 = $2,280,000,000,000 (12 entries at 6.3mill. copies sold each)
Versus
Forza launched in 2005 soon 12 years old with 6 main games and 3x spin offs (total of 9 games). 22,500,000 x $30 = $675,000,000 (9 entries at 2.5mill. copies sold each)
Far from that $1bill. they claim. They either sold more copies or the avg. price (revenue) is higher than $30 per sold copy. At $30 they would have sold about 33mill. copies (< highly unlikely since 2015, to sell 13 mill. copies). So, yeah the avg. price hast to be higher than the $30 for each sold copy.
Look, who cares, MS/XBOX CONGRATULATIONS. GT has been around longer, but has produced less, every year we get a new and improved FORZA either motorsport or horizon every year, this makes it very hard for GT to out match, because when GT improves it's take them 2yrs to improve as with Forza, well every year and there is improvements. But both games have there place, just enjoy it and don't be sad that your favourite game is not the headliner, just play 🎭 your game.
With the technology available to you there's no way you should've inflated GT sales by $20 billion. If you're an adult you should be embarrassed. If you're still in school you need to pay attention in math class, maybe stay after school sometime and have your teacher show you how to use a calculator.
Yes GT has sold a lot of copies, but don't let fanboyism turn you into an idiot like the 21 people that have agreed with you so far
The Forza Horizon series got me and my friends back into racing games. FH3 is just so good. I can't wait to see what the studio does next. Hopefully It will be a day one purchase just like FH3. PG and T10 are super talented. Congrats to all involved with the development of this game.
Apparently playground is opening a new satellite studio to make open world games. I do think FH3 was some of their best work, and a really good racer. We get to play it at work, and they have the nice wheel set ups and stuff and it gets a lot of my time when I have no actual work to do.
I'd imagine their core studio is still going to be working on F:H though.
that last line, you're really asking for it. better watch out, that console war neutrality might be blown now. How can people objectively put forza above GT, when forza isn't even recognized by the FIA?
"How can people objectively put forza above GT, when forza isn't even recognized by the FIA?"
That's a silly question. Because they like it better ? Cause it's getting better reviews ? Because no matter what the game is, some people will base their opinion on their personal taste rather than on some sponsorship deals ? See, like some put PES above Fifa, how dare they have their own preference!
seriously though, if you disregard the FIA, you just proved you're a casual scrub who knows nothing about cars. @Aloren which is why i said *OBJECTIVELY*
I don't usually like forza games, because I don't usually enjoy race games, but must say after my gamble on horizon 3 I'm more than 100% happy.
I'm a blood n guts game kinda lover, so this was a nice change.
I think there's really only a couple of race games out that can compete with forza, project cars and gran turismo. Need for speed I thought on some games was going in the rite direction and don't get me wrong now and again it can pull out a surprise game, but it's not consistent enough like forza.
It doesn't include DLC, but the FH3 units definitely include digital. The overall retail number (1B) might not include all forms of digital. For example, digital game cards (not XBL cards) could be included (it is still a retail transaction).
Are you serious this number is 2.5 million retail, based on the response by Microsoft. Read the title again. 1 billion in retail sales. Keyword "Retail".
Forza Horizon is definitely higher if you combine retail and digital.
Overload stop trying to spin negative on an otherwise good news for Xbox.
The source for the sales that MS are using is from NPD. *Source: The NPD Group/Retail Tracking Service (U.S., Canada, Australia, New Zealand) – November 2012-January 2017
On NPD, MS digital sales are not counted even when NPD just started including digital sales in their monthly chart not too long ago. That is why in this article, MS titled it 'The Forza Franchise Has Exceeded $1 Billion in RETAIL Sales' as it only counts retail physical sale figures.
http://venturebeat.com/2016... Top 10 Software sales of Oct NPD: NBA 2K17 Madden NFL 17 FIFA 17 NHL 17 Bioshock: The Collection Destiny: The Collection Grand Theft Auto V Overwatch** Forza Horizon 3* Call of Duty: Black Ops III *No digital sales. **No Battle.net digital sales.
The source for the sales that MS are using is from NPD. *Source: The NPD Group/Retail Tracking Service (U.S., Canada, Australia, New Zealand) – November 2012-January 2017 Read more at https://news.xbox.com/2017/...
On NPD, MS digital sales are not counted even when NPD just started including digital sales in their monthly chart not too long ago. That is why in this article, MS titled it 'The Forza Franchise Has Exceeded $1 Billion in RETAIL Sales' as it only counts retail sales.
http://venturebeat.com/2016... Top 10 Software sales of Oct NPD: NBA 2K17 Madden NFL 17 FIFA 17 NHL 17 Bioshock: The Collection Destiny: The Collection Grand Theft Auto V Overwatch** Forza Horizon 3* Call of Duty: Black Ops III *No digital sales. **No Battle.net digital sales.
MS can't realistically track all the retail sales like that. They can track numbers shipped, and extrapolate from that, but for the most part, those retail copies can sell at various prices. NPD is better equipped to get that information much more accurately using better sampling data.
That being said, NPD doesn't track retail sales, nor do they typically report retail revenue, because it's not a number that's actually relevant to them since they don't make all the revenue themselves, only the wholesale proceeds.
I would have to agree. If the publisher is giving these numbers, Im assuming it would include all sales. Retail and digital. It wouldnt make sense not to add it.
@horsetamer, dont you think there would have been a asterisk somewhere saying no digtital sales included?
Why would MS undercut the milestone by not including those sales?
Congratulations! Forza Horizon 3 is the best racing game of all time IMO. Great scores and great sales! Truly the success of that franchise has helped Playground Games to branch out and create new games as well as continue to innovate with the best racing franchise around! Add another billion dollar earner to the Microsoft stable of greatness!
Are you serious this number is 2.5 million retail, based on the response by Microsoft. Read the title again. 1 billion in retail sales. Keyword "Retail".
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Digital sales for Forza Horizon 3 are included.
Publisher given unit sales always include digital sales. You also can buy digital codes at retail, man. Like cdkeys or amazon, game.co.uk, shopto for example.
So, according to your logic, Uncharted 4 sales are 9.7 mil. only on discs. As Sony stated, right. So, probably with digital would be 13 mil. Jeez, man!
Uncharted is the preeminent series on PlayStation and was included in the number one selling console bundle last year. Why would you compare it to Forza horizon 3 which is a open world racing game on the console with half the install base ? Oh and remember no digital included.
According to some PC/PS fanboys..No PC gamers have upgraded or play on Windows 10. Should I link some comments from this very site?
Edit: cant believe some y'all let this nonsense consume your lives the way it does. Get a job, play some games, get some fresh air, take your girlfriend out. Hang out with homies at the bar/club, dance, do something!!.... As much as I love to game, over 30yrs here. I can easily walk away from it and never look back.
GT series has a bigger following. It started on the PS1 before the XBox was even conceived. Quality >>>>>>>&g t;> Sales. Forza 5 is really the only Forza game that has flopped. Forza 6 and Forza Horizon 3 this gen are excellent.
They don't half like a spin tho. Sold 2.5 million copies, hardly surprising as I bought it for £24.99 brand new but that's barely 10% of Xbox owners... poor... yet they've had 14 million unique players? Lot of game sharing going on there.
Yes, digital numbers ARE INCLUDED in publisher statement about sales. Always was and always will be.
Ubisoft recently mentioned that Watch Dogs 2 sales are 7 mil. It does include digital sales. You think that digital sales aren't included? You're ridiculous.
Microsoft wouldn't announce a milestone without adding all the numbers , logical sense is all you need to see that. Why on earth would they announce the milestone without all sales combined ? think about that .... it makes no sense. things that make no sense are usually not true.
Who gives a shit what you own. So, Ubisoft announced that Watch Dogs 2 is sold in 7 million copies. Guess what, according to your logic, it's without digital numbers.
Capcom said that RE 7 crossed 3 mil. mark. Guess what, according to your logic, it's without digital numbers. LOL
Uncharted 4 sold in 8.7 mil. copies. Guess what, according to your logic, it's without digital numbers. Probably with digital is 12 mil. copies. Are you goddamn sure that Sony wouldn't say that U4 sold 12 mil. copies? I'm pretty sure they would say that.
You're goddamn stupid if you think that sales are without digital.
This thread is pure gold! Look at almost all of you so called gamers! It is really pathetic to what humans can come down to.
Forza is a great game series, the arcade and sim games. It is great to see the brand growing. Fora Motorsport always has been more of a niche game for sim fans but Horizon made it to the casual crowd. The community is big, and the tuning and livery/paint sharing is awesome among it! I really like all you gamers out there who are engaged in that big Forza familiy to make it such a great place to race :)
Great game with lots of content. I just feel bad that I bought it (I play it on PC) but has yet to really play it (damn you resident evil7 Vr) and damn you Battlefield 1.
emmm, why cant it just be, "Congrats MS and Turn 10", instead its arguments and insults just cause its an Xbox game, n4g will never change. If this has been GT Sport or a Sony article about sales, it wuld be all praises and victory dances...sigh
and xbone trolls saying the same stuff as the Sony ones .........or are we gonna pretend there aren't xbone trolls here too ? the worst troll on this site is an xbone troll "rookie monster" that has made over 40 different accounts so far to troll. check your facts before feeling sorry for Xbox
and 700,000 was from ripping people off for charging for dlc after dlc after dlc. Great games but fuck it ticks me off when they just keep charging for everything.
That's just physical sold through to retail in the US? Definitely impressive if its not including digital sales. Fh3 is the best racer on the market so why wouldn't it sale
it's not even just the USA it's other countries as well its in the article and probably includes digital as it's MS announcing it they wouldn't low ball their own franchise by not including all sales.
Wow, this comment section proves how PS4 polluted this site is, disgusting. No objectivism, everything that is not PS4 will be downvoted to oblivion. Sad, very sad!
To those who are interested here is a breakdown of the Forza series FM Xb FM2 Xb360 FM3 Xb360 FM4 Xb360 FH Xb360 FM5 Xb1 FH2 Xb1 FM6 Xb1 FH3 Xb1/Windows 10 FM Apex Windows 10 so there you have it , only 2 are on PC
Pretty much expected regarding Forza Horizon 3 (selling 2.5M units). Good numbers compared to the previous iterations.
A great series. Good to see it hit this milestone.
As a quick comparison, the Gran Tursimo series (as of 2015) has sold over 76 million. Lets say the average game is £30, even though GT5 cost me £50..
If my maths are corrects, the GT series has made at least £22.8 billion. GT sport can only add to this. Plus this is GBP and not Dollars.
Sick achievement. Many people doubted the numbers:
http://n4g.com/news/1974704...
But looks like those are some noice sale numbers indeed.
Well deserved. Such a sick racer. Was playing it this weekend and aaaah. Feel sorry for all those missing out 😍
I don't usually like forza games, because I don't usually enjoy race games, but must say after my gamble on horizon 3 I'm more than 100% happy.
I'm a blood n guts game kinda lover, so this was a nice change.
I think there's really only a couple of race games out that can compete with forza, project cars and gran turismo. Need for speed I thought on some games was going in the rite direction and don't get me wrong now and again it can pull out a surprise game, but it's not consistent enough like forza.